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A modest proposal to stop INTERNET PIRACY in its tracks
David Gerard
2012-01-24 11:29:04 UTC
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Ban all copyrighted material from the Internet that is not under a free licence.

https://plus.google.com/u/0/104205134740204626607/posts/Riy9n4Fv2SW

Anyone want to get behind this one? :-D


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Timo Juhani Lindfors
2012-01-24 11:46:14 UTC
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Post by David Gerard
Ban all copyrighted material from the Internet that is not under a free licence.
https://plus.google.com/u/0/104205134740204626607/posts/Riy9n4Fv2SW
Anyone want to get behind this one? :-D
That'd mean banning fsfe.org too.
David Gerard
2012-01-24 11:46:58 UTC
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Post by Timo Juhani Lindfors
Post by David Gerard
Ban all copyrighted material from the Internet that is not under a free licence.
https://plus.google.com/u/0/104205134740204626607/posts/Riy9n4Fv2SW
Anyone want to get behind this one? :-D
That'd mean banning fsfe.org too.
A minor detail in this otherwise-immaculate idea!


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Heiki "Repentinus" Ojasild
2012-01-24 12:57:36 UTC
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Proposing censorship in the name of freedom seems a bit...
unconventional, do you not think so? Of course, freedom from
proprietary materials would be nice, but ultimately the decision
should be left to the citizens: either they do not use proprietary
materials or they get rid of the copyright laws. Censorship would
cause only extra problems.
Post by David Gerard
Post by Timo Juhani Lindfors
Post by David Gerard
Ban all copyrighted material from the Internet that is not under a free licence.
https://plus.google.com/u/0/104205134740204626607/posts/Riy9n4Fv2SW
Anyone want to get behind this one? :-D
That'd mean banning fsfe.org too.
A minor detail in this otherwise-immaculate idea!
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David Gerard
2012-01-24 13:15:13 UTC
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On 24 January 2012 12:57, Heiki "Repentinus" Ojasild
Post by Heiki &quot;Repentinus&quot; Ojasild
Proposing censorship in the name of freedom seems a bit...
unconventional, do you not think so? Of course, freedom from
proprietary materials would be nice, but ultimately the decision
should be left to the citizens: either they do not use proprietary
materials or they get rid of the copyright laws. Censorship would
cause only extra problems.
This is what I get for not flagging a joke. In English, "a modest
proposal" is a phrase that conventionally introduces a straight-faced
Juvenal-style satire. The usage comes from a famous essay by Jonathan
Swift:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal

My apologies to non-native speakers confused by my post :-)


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Heiki &quot;Repentinus&quot; Ojasild
2012-01-24 13:19:13 UTC
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Post by David Gerard
On 24 January 2012 12:57, Heiki "Repentinus" Ojasild
Post by Heiki &quot;Repentinus&quot; Ojasild
Proposing censorship in the name of freedom seems a bit...
unconventional, do you not think so? Of course, freedom from
proprietary materials would be nice, but ultimately the decision
should be left to the citizens: either they do not use proprietary
materials or they get rid of the copyright laws. Censorship would
cause only extra problems.
This is what I get for not flagging a joke. In English, "a modest
proposal" is a phrase that conventionally introduces a straight-faced
Juvenal-style satire. The usage comes from a famous essay by Jonathan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal
My apologies to non-native speakers confused by my post :-)
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I feel so foolish right now. :-( By the way, is the Swift's work any good?
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David Gerard
2012-01-24 13:23:26 UTC
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On 24 January 2012 13:19, Heiki "Repentinus" Ojasild
Post by Heiki &quot;Repentinus&quot; Ojasild
Post by David Gerard
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal
My apologies to non-native speakers confused by my post :-)
I feel so foolish right now. :-(
From the response, it's evidently my fault entirely. You have my
sincere apologies.
Post by Heiki &quot;Repentinus&quot; Ojasild
By the way, is the Swift's work any good?
His writing style is 300 years old, and I don't know how readable it
will be to a non-native speaker, but he remains a highly-renowned
writer in English for good reason. His other most notable work was
"Gulliver's Travels".


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Carsten Agger
2012-01-24 13:26:12 UTC
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Post by David Gerard
Post by Heiki &quot;Repentinus&quot; Ojasild
By the way, is the Swift's work any good?
His writing style is 300 years old, and I don't know how readable it
will be to a non-native speaker, but he remains a highly-renowned
writer in English for good reason. His other most notable work was
"Gulliver's Travels".
"A modest proposal" is quite funny, at least the idea in itself is; in a
rather serious way. Wikipedia has a Gutenberg link.
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Heiki &quot;Repentinus&quot; Ojasild
2012-01-24 13:27:59 UTC
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Post by Heiki &quot;Repentinus&quot; Ojasild
From the response, it's evidently my fault entirely. You have my
sincere apologies.
Nay, the fault lies with me. I should have familiarized myself with culture. :-)
Post by Heiki &quot;Repentinus&quot; Ojasild
Post by Heiki &quot;Repentinus&quot; Ojasild
By the way, is the Swift's work any good?
His writing style is 300 years old, and I don't know how readable it
will be to a non-native speaker, but he remains a highly-renowned
writer in English for good reason. His other most notable work was
"Gulliver's Travels".
I have read Gulliver's Travels, that is why I was asking.
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Xavi Drudis Ferran
2012-01-24 13:19:08 UTC
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Post by David Gerard
Ban all copyrighted material from the Internet that is not under a free
licence.
https://plus.google.com/u/0/104205134740204626607/posts/Riy9n4Fv2SW
Anyone want to get behind this one? :-D
Not me. Besides what's been said already, I wonder what you mean by
"there is nothing to pirate". "Piracy" is quite a silly term but I usually assume
people mean illegal copying of copyrigthed works. If you only allow freely
licensed works in the internet it means there are still copyright licenses
and they can be infringed. People can "pirate" free works and they do (and
sometimes they even get condemned for it if they don't amend it). I once
wrote a private mail (in Catalan) to give examples, so I can dig it if you
want to, but it should be obvious here.

So spreading the idea that free copyright licenses can't be infringed no
matter what you do is quite against any freedom goal. The infringement
of free licenses often is freedom-destructive.

You might simply advocate for the abolishment of copyright, which would
likely be more consistent although not by itself wise (but not necessarily worse
than some other options, like some that are increasingly being tried).
Xavi Drudis Ferran
2012-01-24 13:22:43 UTC
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Post by David Gerard
My apologies to non-native speakers confused by my post :-)
My apologies for my poor English. Unfortunately we're so used
to other "modest proposals" enacted as law even if they are
obviously bad jokes, that one gets in the habit of too literal reading...
David Gerard
2012-01-24 13:31:18 UTC
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Post by Xavi Drudis Ferran
Post by David Gerard
My apologies to non-native speakers confused by my post :-)
My apologies for my poor English. Unfortunately we're so used
to other "modest proposals" enacted as law even if they are
obviously bad jokes, that one gets in the habit of too literal reading...
We live in times where "modest proposal" essays in this field are
appropriate. Endless material!

Of course, there's almost no idea so bad someone won't advance it
seriously. Charlie Brooker quit writing his vicious satire of British
television, "TV Go Home" http://www.tvgohome.com/ , when real
television shows started getting that awful.


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Kim Tucker
2012-01-24 14:25:50 UTC
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"If at first an idea isn't absurd, there's no hope for it."
[Source: Albert Einstein, from the film '1 Giant Leap']
Post by David Gerard
Post by Xavi Drudis Ferran
Post by David Gerard
My apologies to non-native speakers confused by my post :-)
My apologies for my poor English. Unfortunately we're so used
to other "modest proposals" enacted as law even if they are
obviously bad jokes, that one gets in the habit of too literal reading...
We live in times where "modest proposal" essays in this field are
appropriate. Endless material!
Of course, there's almost no idea so bad someone won't advance it
seriously. Charlie Brooker quit writing his vicious satire of British
television, "TV Go Home" http://www.tvgohome.com/ , when real
television shows started getting that awful.
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